Now *That’s* Racist!

Doesn’t promoting sites like “Ghetto Thug,” and titles like “Thugs Need Love 3: Straight Outta Compton” contribute to the racist stereotype that black men are thugs? This is not to say that thugs don’t need love, but where is the outrage?

Several urban titles are planned for release this week from Marina Pacific including PitBull Productions’  T.H.U.G. Love, a motion picture being described as Romeo and Juliet only with anal penetration and no funny costumes. The film stars Juice, Black Lion, Kurupt, Seduction, Nubius, Elmo, Angel, K Blaze, T.Y and the rest of the cast of the Lion King On Ice. Also on deck is Top Dog Productions’ Thugs Need Love, Too: Round Three (“Straight outta Compton”). This third entry in the popular Thugs Need Love series takes place underwater in the year 2035 after California has sunk into the ocean and Compton is a watery sex den.

Hoff’s sarcastic descriptions might be a way of couching his contempt for these movies, but I doubt it. And actually, calling something “thug porn” isn’t necessarily racist. It’s a genre, just like twink or tranny porn.

But what’s more “racist”: A magazine’s list of the top porn stars that doesn’t include any black men, or repeatedly objectifying black men by calling them thugs and portraying them as gangsters? If you’re going to call the former out, as Hoff did, you have to do the same with the latter. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways.

Moral indignation over perceived racism in porn only works if it’s consistent. Even when it’s wrong.

16 thoughts on “Now *That’s* Racist!”

  1. There’s nothing wrong with stereotypes, now, in the future or EVER, if they are commonly true.

    It is commonly true that a lot of urban thugs are black. Whining against stereotypes will NEVER change REALITY, hip hop culture, real economic situations that people live in, black youths who dress the thug, etc.

    Furthermore, most people understand that most blacks ARE NOT thugs. It is not the responsibility of every producer to champion EVERY variety or depiction of a minority for diversity’s sake. It’s their option.

    So people with a bug up their ass about championing a different image need to MAKE THEIR OWN DAMN VIDEOS. The whining is immaterial. It’s inappropriate to place your personal, political expectations on ALL PRODUCERS when they’re doing nothing wrong.

    Zach may have answered his own question as to why there’s no “outrage” toward Top Dog productions: because THUGS are not race-specific. Anybody can be a thug — there are white thugs, Asian thugs and latino thugs, etc.

  2. Besides constantly pairing up attractive guys with trolls, here’s my frustration with ‘thugporn’… You see two hot black guys, amazing bodies, but then they open their mouths and speak. My dick and I completely lose interest. I also start thinking, is it ‘okay’ for me to watch this with them dropping the n-word like 20x a sentence? I mean, I’ve literally counted before, it’s fascinating. I would not get off constantly hearing someone say “yeah, fuck me cracker!” I just don’t get it.

    I personally would like to see two (or more) hot black guys just fucking. No drawn out rap video intro or dialogue, just hot sex and without the white boy slapped in the middle. I really wouldn’t mind it at all. But if it’s going to be interracial, how about the white guy tops the black guy for once? The Blackballed series may get a little offensive at times but it has some hot guys. Each one I saw I thought could have been hot even without the white guy (except for Cameron Adams & Dean Monroe, those were hot).

    1. @Kevin: Agree. There’s a scorching hot flip-flop scene with Race Cooper and Scott Alexander an a Mustang movie called XXX. Funny that a scene like that is atypical when it should be the template. Loads of chemistry between them; in fact, they’re in the latest (execrable) Blackballed movie and you can still see it (I agree: lose the white boy).

  3. Zach, how is Thug Porn any different from the crap mainstream studios release? A thug and a savage mandingo fucker are one in the same. Diesel Washington & Thugzilla have more in common than you may think. They both promote an image that shows black men in stereotypical and unflattering ways. The only difference is that Thugzilla fucks blacks boys and Diesel primarily fucks white guys, but both showcase black men as detached sexual savages.

    There is much outrage amongst men of color (and our supporters) over thug porn, you just aren’t aware of the blogs written by men of color so you think there’s no backlash. The “colored” community has had many conversations about the embarrassing images of black and brown men presented in thug porn. We often question why no urban porn company has yet to produce a hi quality big, budget Micheal Lucas (I know, his name is like Voldermort) type of production comprised of ethic models. I wish you would stop making light of such a serious situation. This whole “gotcha campaign” is distasteful. Racial inequality in porn is a real thing. I talk with many of my fellow ethnic cockstars and most of us yearn to be in hi quality productions. We aren’t satisfied being filmed fucking in filthy flea bag motels with poor lighting and cheap cameras. Running trains on white boys and glorifying thug mentalities is not our first choice. I’ll continue shooting bareback porn before I you catch me in Black Balled 3000 or Bitch Hunt 12.

    PS: I love how Diesel’s response is ALL about him. Someone make this man a clone so he go off and fuck himself. Ge’ez Louise.

    -Chase Coxxx

  4. THE SCARLET PUMPERNICKEL

    oh and umm…… did the sword report on the flavaworks blatino awards? or blatino oasis? no? huh….. so this is the only post about anything to do with men of color in porn? in like ….. welll….. idk someone help me out ……like a long time maybe? as a journalist shouldnt you be like covering all of porn ? i mean … brady jensen is hot …. alsseio romero …hot …conner habib …. chris porter … love resse rideout … but on brady alone i count four articles in two months….two about diesel annnnnnnnnnnd…. squat about any other models of color … oh that one guy Seacrest signed …whats his name? with the big ol jiggaboo lips? just an observation.
    hail hitler and death to whtey

  5. Diesel here

    For the longest time I keep hearing my name thrown around when it cause to the image of the Black Man in gay porn. Thug porn is a genre of gay porn that has been around for a long time wheter it be a stereotype or not! Its the ONLY images that young gay black males had to embrace( 90’s- to present), where they can see themselves(Race wise) and see their sexuality displayed. I do believe however that the Thug genre of porn needs to update the look, its 2010 We can use “Other” images that show that Black beauty, while still keeping it edgy or urban. Porn from the Thug side in the 90’s, was “ground breaking”. Young black gay males had no images that looked like them in gay porn back then. When you went to the porn store all you saw was Falcon, Bel Ami(all white models)being young black and gay, the only connection with those Vid was that it displayed Gay sex !! When Thug porn came, it wasa refreshing change to see models that looked like myself and the audience embraced it being it was their only outlet.. What has changed?? The look of Do rags, gold chains and using the projects(housing developments)in Thug porn is still there!!! Its like the look has been frozen in time! It needs an Update!!

    As far as my image(Angry Black Man, Mandingo fucker, the Brute) I’m 6’6 and 235lbs(all natural) I go to the gym eat healthy and work out!! I’m a model!! The character I displayed when I first entered the scene was that of the Mindless fucker that just ripped the holes of the White boys. Because I knew that image sells!! To get my foot through the door, I had to do what I needed to do. Once I got my foot through the door, Diesel could evolve into something more than just a Macho fucker!! Over the years the character has changed, some people are not familar with my film history so they have no idea how much the character evolved. I have done scenes, where I was businessman, added a romantic edge, showed alittle bit of my acting skills(LOL). I’m not offered many roles because I have a “Certain” look, so the roles I do get offered, often it fits a certain “Stereotype”. Its my job to add something new to that role that keeps it from being that same character I developed. Its funny that I’m judged as a bad guy because I’m a forceful top onscreen!! On/Off camera I’m a top that likes to fuck hard regardless. Yeah my romantic/passionate side is not captured that much on film because that is something I keep in my private life.

    As far as sex goes, I am a Top that enjoys fucking!! And that comes across in my performances it just so happens that I like fucking rough and hard!! So there is no acting there, its the way I fuck!!! I was born 6’6 and I worked hard to achieve this body so I can’t be blamed for tools that I was born with. I could understand if I was a Bottom and I preferred to bottom, but for porn sake I was forced into a Top role because I had the look(then I could see a problem). But that is not the case, I’m a Horny Top that likes fucking Ass!!

    I’m getting tired of other Black models attacking Me saying I’m pushing the stereotype that all Gay Black males have to be Big muscle ass fuckers in porn. I don’t hear about White Models attacking other White models because they went for a look that sells.

    Take a white boy with brown hair, with pale skin and brown eyes, they decide to go Blonde get a tan, and color contacts to turn their eye color to blue. They market themselves as this Blonde power bottom, and then they become a huge sucess. I doubt there is a group of Brown hair, brown eyed white boys sending this model hate email saying that they need to be real!! Or that they are sellouts because they went to blonde. And I doubt there is a bunch of blonde boys running around sending hate email to that same model saying “Your not a real blonde stop acting phony and fake!!” Maybe that happens…but I doubt it!!

    The race issue will continue!! It happens in real life everyday and its slowly changing. It’s happening already in Gay porn, the progress is SLOW but it is happening!! I’m working on the problem from within so at least I’m trying to change the stereotypes.

    PLEASE STOP SAYING I’M PART OF THE PROBLEM!! WHILE I’M TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION!! GEEZ

  6. What most people dont realize is that most of the studios that put out Thug Porn are owned and operated by white men. It makes it even more sad that they try to keep the “ghetto” stereotype by maintaining poorer quality scenes and having the guys smoke weed on camera

  7. …Who cares..i’m a Black man and i find black porn to be the most hideous ….horrible acting..porn quality … most cheap hotels i’ve every seen….eww eww and ugh…:-))

  8. That may be true. But Victor can’t be a flame thrower one week; calling people racist and racially insensitive and then the next week promote stereotypical racist images himself. It really does not matter what product is available to him; he either stands up against (and truly knows the meaning of…) racism, racial sensitivity and racial stereotypes, or he doesn’t.

    Once again, Zach’s analysis has depth.

  9. Zach,

    While as you said in the last post you wrote about me that our relationship has been contentious at best, you may be shocked to find that I agree with you a great deal on this matter.

    Victor and I have had numerous discussions regarding the “thug” image for Black men in gay porn. And after those talks, I do know as to whether or not his sarcasm is “a way of couching his contempt for these movies”, as you put it, but I won’t speak for Victor. I’ll let him do so, should he respond. I can only speak for myself, and say that I do disagree with him putting these images on his site. But with my disagreement, I also see that Victor is stuck in a worst position than I am. Because while I talk of sexuality in general on blog, he talks of his like of men of color, and because of that difference, Victor may feel that he can’t run a site showing the beauty of men of color with no Black images, even though SADLY, the only image he has to work with to show off Black men are of the “thug” image. While I write and complain about why there aren’t more positive Black images (as I do), Victor settles for what THE INDUSTRY has given him to work with.

    So I agree with what you said, Zach – a very great deal. But until a producer in the gay porn industry decides to bring forth a change for the better by not showing Blacks as “thugs”, “brutes” like more mainstream companies show Diesel Washington, or as a bunch of Black hell-bent on gang-banging a White guy like Chi Chi LaRue’s “Blackballled” series, Victor is stuck in the economic law of “Supply & Demand”…where the public DEMANDS to see Black beauty, but Blacks in a negative light is all Victor is SUPPLIED.

  10. im kinda sorta gonna agree with you on this Zach…

    Not really ….

    The thug porn genre is as much a set back as films like blackballed

    the only reason these film flourish so much us because

    NOBODY WILL STEP UP AND TAKE THE RISK …..

    so as said before …..

    you either pump roids and eat lots of chicken and hope to god you can get signed to a studio like colt or titan …. (forget c1r)

    or go to flava works dog pound or pitbull

    the catch 22?

    NOBODY FUCKING LIKES THUG PORN !

    NO body wants to watch porn dropping the n word left and right

    and its a pretty quick way to get you blacklisted from mainstream any way

    and not everybody wants to be diesel fucking washington (he’ll state otherwise)

    the issue with that list was that alot of performers got screwed not just black performers. …. all performers … but men of color were completely overlooked… TOTALLY

    and while i never called anyone racist any one at all ……

    i did say that it lives right next door at uncle toms plac

    and for Robert chandler to be so proud of Christain Mohr for doing a thug film ……..

    He was pretty quick to trash a few apps from people who on his own site ……for reasons i caant name …but it does live right next door

    in my opinon the real issue is this:

    men of color are cornered into ta thug or urban segment of the market….because major studios will not hire them… there is a lot of great talent that is over looked because of this and a lot of people not making money. isnt that the bottom line? i get dozens of emails a day askinf why arent there black men in mainstream porn…. im not the local senator ….. so maybe someone can give me an answer i can use

  11. Funny, I read the MOC earlier today and was kind of embarrassed by all of the reinforced sterotypes. Endorsing it as “urban” doesn’t extinguish the stench. Once again, Victor can’t see the forest for the trees.

  12. Why isn’t David Forest representing these “no demand” thug porn stars and getting them into mainstream porn and into the really big events that occur within the industry? I mean after-all, isn’t this his new flava du jour now? No demand – No talent porn people?

    Surely these porn thugs are good for something more than just the limited audience their no demand studios and videos reach.

    Doesn’t David even have pull at the DMV and post office anymore?

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